northern virginia and mci and others were in the d.c. area. so they played a significant role in the set first way. the second wave silicon valley played a critical role. the third wave, i'm hoping and expecting it will distribute again and have more regional partnership. and though continue innovation in places like silicon valley, there also be in ovation and the rest of the country. i've been doing these busters for a few years visiting 26 cities and six hours, detroit, pittsburgh, detroit, albuquerque, all kinds of cities that are developing their own startups and building on the expertise they have and try to attract the capital and talent to take the ideas to scale. and in the process create the jobs they so desperately need. >> host: what refining be on the coast? >> guest: it's very encouraging.